Was that a tough job fittin' them in the Khorn??? Your link has been automatically embedded. That would be like saying that you disagree that we are on planet earth. Schu It's a home-build DIY 6SN7 driven 2A3 3.5Wpc amp: very nice 2A3 amp. The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. I don't have the Model 19's but do have the Model 18 with the 604 8H driver and prefer the mids over the Khorns.The mids are much smoother.I like the point source driver the best. Although we have industrial La Scalas now and having sold our K-horns recently, my wife and were pleasantly surprised by how little space they actually occupy when nudged into long wall corners (in our case, 21 feet apart). No mean feat. bluesboy Altec horn numbers give you a hint to the low frequency cut off of the horn. The La Scala has the BAD K400 squawker horn from the Klipschorn and the Cornwall has the higher Clear editor. The bass is routed out of the front, up and down each side and not the back. They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. dkalsi They can take power better than an original Altec 19 network. I had to "eq" the tar out of it just to get it to go flat up to 7500 Hz where I crossed it over to the tweeter. http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53469, you will love the 511/ 902 driver combo, with maybe an ev 350, or beyma tweeter. My type "B" network for the Cronwall is fixed at on crossover frequency and one set of levels. The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NEVER seen Altec guys modding their speakers with Klipsch parts. It weighs about 220 lb. What crossover frequency were you planning on using? how hard is it to fix or replace the horn on a 19? would love to hear it. These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. Just a fun debate for me. The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. Not my intent at all. While the K77 does not extend as far as the aforementioned tweeters, it is a little more toned down/mellower by comparison? If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Well said Gary. Very objective reply. tc In any case, you will want to experiment with The K77 won't fit if you mount the 511 on the motorboard of the LaScala. The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. Altec horns most certainly shout, just like any other, perhaps even more so. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response By For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? I am reluctant to make a change I cannot undue other than refinishing my La Scala cabinets in new veneer. The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . I know Al K. is using them on his Belles for sure. Shoot, even as good as they sound now, I am still anxious to try other amps & other fine tuning experiments, just my nature. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. The Khorn bass was better. Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. It was to prove that the 511b would go below 500 Hz down to 400. I don't pretend to presume that just because you don't care to hear about them that someone else that (might not know about them) doesn't. Sorry. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. technical data seem to indicate the Jubs would be better. As any one who has spent very much time & experimentation in this hobby soon learns the significance of room & our personal hearing choice & cost is a major consideration. The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). Clear editor. Price: US $4,000.00. Just an observation, but i find it kind of interesting how many of those who have arrived at 19's have owned Cornwalls at some point along their journey. The Klipschorns are built with the K-401 mid horn. List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. Upload or insert images from URL. LOL.. Log in or register to post comments; Do tell. Al, Did you ever plot an Altec 808 in a K-400? The bottom end is there but not so predominant until the power is applied and at that point things are 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't. Thank you for your input, Daddy Dee, I'll go with the new Khorns. In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section.". affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network, and the Amazon Associates Program via amazon.com. Altec specs are also not necessarily useful. Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. Not in my house)was directed at Arash, whom I was concerned had mistaken my words for arrogance & gloating over the expensive Jubs as being the one & only, "best of the best" . I would like to get one of these bass cabinets, mount a 511B glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. Fits standard Altec Drivers 1.4 3-bolt Dimensions 37 1/2" W x 19" H x 31" D Weight 30.5 lbs each unpacked. Add to cart. Naturally, keep all In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. Owned and used a pair of 1974 Cornwalls for a decade. Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. I replaced the stock Midrange Horn of the Khorn with a pair of 1005B Altec horns with 288-16K drivers. I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. No for the reason above. Your link has been automatically embedded. $12,000), the finish DOES matter to a significant degree. Dorsey knows cinema sound inside and out, and in this article he shares his personal thoughts about these highly valued horn designs, and provides valuable tips on how to restore them. Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. Your previous content has been restored. They just disappear into the corners! Discussion in 'Speakers' started by timsclips, Sep 28, 2013. 1 watched in the last 24 hours. July 7, 2009 in Technical/Restorations. The "little" A8 is a sleeper. (e.g., check the vertical polar pattern on the Iwata profile horn that you propose, not just the horizontal pattern), and I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. yes It was built here. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end Although I have had Khorns sound good i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. I haven't i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundimental to others. Like a Klipschorn 20 great HF watts is all you will ever need. They all sound good and they're all different. First off, and IMO very importantly, the 19s have much better extended HF responseinfact, the Khorns don't go much over 17k. You cannot paste images directly. Secondly, the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. Quote. Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! You can post now and register later. Artto and Cask, if you have not already done so. The midrange is from the direct-radiating cone woofer and not from a horn-loaded Display as a link instead, The JBL driver has a continuous roll off. The A7 (pictured here) is It measures 53 high, 31 wide, and 28 deep. bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. Posted February 9, 2005. You may want to slack off a little, so your positive comments regain an appropriate level of credence. They are even more efficient than the Altec A7's, which have a maximum efficiency of 103dB. You cannot paste images directly. Furthermore, most of the graphs I've seen done on Khorns don't have extended highs or the flattest frequency response. I have Model 19s in the downstairs kitchen, and modded 63 Khorns in the man cave, and they both are outstanding. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. The sound is very good. ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. As someone else said, I'd be happy with either of them. trouble is , they were both working, and then at a later time the horn was not working on one of them. Your link has been automatically embedded. I currently own both. They both do differnt things well. I have to say that if I put the amount of money into the Altecs that I have in What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. What driver would you recommend for the 511B horn? WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. I know of several people who have made than change. It has much more bass than the Heresy, is more What do you recommend? Been using 511b/902-16a on top of 75' Cornwall bins. OTOH, the smaller Altec drivers have much better HF extention than the 288's so they might be just great. This is a wonderful pair of Klipschorn Type AK-2 Walnut Veneer in Very Good to Excellent condition. I would like to try a K-55/511b combo running them down to 400 Hz. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by sansuisammy, Feb 19, 2010. ). HERES Why Your Subwoofer is Bottoming Out (And How to FIX It!) The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them. They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair That is why so many "tweakers' swap them out for Altec, JBL or other drivers. Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. i'd suggest taking a look at Dave's fastlane audio website. Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. It is funnyI have read this post before and I just spotted a pair of 19s in a local pawn shop todayI did not give it much though and then lau The driver on my 511B horn is the Altec 808-8a CD. Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: On 1/20/2005 11:02:47 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. WebA pair of Altec -- Lansing A7 "Voice of the Theatre" loudspeakers and their domestic counterpart, the Altec Corona, will visit our listening room. two way - Jubilee. Truth be told I've never listened to a pair of Khorns but I do have the Cornscalas and am blown away by their openness and clarity so, along with my HH Scott amp and Empire turntable connected to the new Khorns.well let's say I'll be a very happy man - and the wife too as she loves the sound of the Cornscallas as well as how the Khorns are set into the corners of the room. By reputation alone, I would certainly consider a pair of Klipsch Jubilie. Your link has been automatically embedded. The Model 19 was intended and designed as a domestic loudspeaker, not for theatre sound reinforcement. absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and YMMV. Have fun with it. Makes this a great hobby. I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. Thank you, man! The network is fine, but like the guys are saying, the 811b is only good to a but below 800 Hz. Dr Morbius a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. Powered by Invision Community. it sounds ultimately good and accurate. I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. Display as a link instead, WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! All of the different speakers & various amps have been a wonderful learning experience along the way, I was financially fortunate enough to take my hobby & Klipsch journey to Mr. Pauls final creation,. I have a few other sets of speakers thru out the house (Cornwalls, Pioneer, Sansui, Advents) & enjoy them all for what they are. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. i'm currently using the one built as a drop in replacement for LaScala. Last edited: Apr 26, 2022 I'd planned on building a new motorboard to use with it, but was moving into a place that could not accommodate Khorns, so didn't go further with that project. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Regulars. The K-horns play so deep, down to 20 cycles, that you don't need a sub. For two rather Upload or insert images from URL. I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. Just something different often sounds better at first. I have Khorns, 19's, A-7s, and larger VOTTs. Pasted as rich text. They are making new ones for original Altec tools. But the RFs cross at 2000hz and even higher. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?" ..not around here they ain't! [] I have never been a fan of aluminum or titanium tweeters. sounding Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT speakers for PA / band use or LARGE audiophile home audio system. I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? They're also smaller (at least, not as tall as) the and get rid of my large directs radiator subs, for an all-horn system top to bottom! Can only be mitigated, as in your room or my friend with the Khorns in the large room that is, for some reason, magically optimized for these speakers. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. 4) Paul Klipsch ran curves of the Altec A7 v.s. both the La Scala and the Klipschorn in the '60s. They are reproduced somewhere on this forum. actually better than many expensive gears I heard. Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? If you were more specific about what Klipsches you are thinking about, you would get more informed answers. 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. WebSomething that needs to be mentioned is that the Altec A5, A6 and A7 use the same main cabinets, the 828. $1700 Firm takes all. exactly. Thats why the Altec / Klipsch combo works best WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . I said that because any time anyone mentions obtaining Klipsch on other forums, you ALWAYS mention Jubilees if you post in the thread. Edit: Just found 4 on e-Bay, if the price stays low enough might pull the plug on three. This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. It may be worth noting that in their newest hi-end product, Klipsch uses direct radiator bass. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response. Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. this can result in this site earning a commission. I would stick with full fledged horns. By definition, then, the one on the left is an A7 type. I have become increasing aware of some really nice looking vintage Altec Lansing speakers that are horn loaded. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. Altec 19s win for me. I have owned both and I felt the 19's had a flatter response with a more realistic sound. Very much a turnkey speaker system. 19 thread, []. The owner had used them with 311-90 horns and some 288's. I wish I had an option to get some new khorns. Upload or insert images from URL. In other words, they are never going to sound like A7's or K-horns. The Horns alone have been selling up around $1300 a pair on E-Bay, without the $500 Custom Paint Job these have. Other than bass (which the 19 likely does better than the small, ported Valencias) the Valencias leave the Cornies far behind. Looks like maybe 1940's vintage 2A3 tubes, too. While the Khorn spec sheet shows it going down to only 33Hz -- actually 34 or 35Hz on spec sheets of some vintages, and the Altec sheet shows 30 Hz, I ran Room EQ WIzard on my Khorns and they were about -3 dB at 30 Hz, and extend to about 22.5 Hz at - 10 dB. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 1420514048 Altec A7 What to do Hello all, a Friend of mine has had Altec Lansing A7's sitting in his basement for several years, just couldn't put them in his current room setting. I know you'll enjoy the process of getting a new pair of these legendary speakers! This is a sample of Klipsch's Flagship speaker displayed on their website! heard them, though. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by SixCats!, Dec 20, 2006. I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. different takes on what might be a good approach, explore the posts by With that said I think there are much better Altec Midrange Horns and Drivers than are in the Stock Khorn. I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. Condition: Used Used. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. They also sound terrific at extremely low SPLs (I have never heard "fade-outs" reproduced better than on Altec drivers) as well as at concert sound levels. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. BUT, the model 19s are great full range speakers and technically they extend lower and higher than the khorn. i guess i need to take them out , since they are so well thought of. IMO, PWK's most significant contribution, really a triumph in audio, was the K-horn. Those wooden horns look very cool. Posted January 20, 2005. he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. Blister8160 he has both & can give an honest assessment of the differences. You need the Altec 511b horn instead. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. Item Information. If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. I think Klipsch made basically three speakers that were fully horn loaded and finished like furniture for use in home audio systems (as opposed to sound reinforcement applications.) Anyone want to swap there Jub's for Altec 19's? Pasted as rich text. The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week. 1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's All of which I've already said in this thread. Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. Therefore, of course I agree. It's as if the 511 was made for it! I could see the term being used to loosely describe a horns sound signature, in the same manner as I ascribe to "forward" as also describing an efficient, horn loaded system. you note that the jubilees, 'in themselves have not made me a happier man. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . It will! They are HUGE and so is their sound. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Just because you/me/anyone might already know about them doesn't mean he does. I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. If someone is contemplating new Khorns then I think they might want to know about the Jubilee's. Classis Altec and Klipsch share the common virtues of great clarity, hair trigger dynamics and high sensitivity. What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. On the Altec Lansing forum, it may be the opposite. It would have to be mounted externally. I can't wait to hear this setup! Klipsch may have gotten the 34 Hz figure from that test, knowing that they would go considerably lower in many rooms. dkalsi I can't listen to the Klipsch for very long periods of time on SS. The passive The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. Paste as plain text instead, Paste as plain text instead, And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. I have never been of the opinion, that any speaker is best at everything, including my A7's. I do NOT recommend that combination. In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder. Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet. ). I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. It has a more open, natural-sounding midrange and is highly detailed with less horn coloration and listener fatigue. A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns. Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. Free shipping for many products! So triumphant in fact that JBL, Electrovoice, and Vitavox all bought license and based some of their own "statement" loudspeakers on the K-horn. What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? sweet. It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. Now whether that is something I have accepted and learned to live with over time or just naturally prefer I cant say, but I am fond of it. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. Did he say why (in detail)? Arash another thing about Altecs, its hard to find amps that will make them sound their best. It won't interfere with the woofer at all. "

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