6. 10. John is the son of Richard Lake 15. Youve made some fascinating discoveries. I think there is a legitimate issue with the connection between Francois de Joyeuse and Robert de Joyeuse. (All English monarchs since Henry II were descendants of Malcolm III of Scotland, and all Scottish monarchs since James II of Scotland were descendants of Edward III of England; see this chart.) Edward III is the 21th great grandfather of Rachael. Probably lots of people who are would not be able to prove it with documentary evidence," says Mr Holton. Yes. Illinois Tech, an NCAA Division III program located in Chicago, is actively searching for a Head Coach Men's & Women's Swimming and Diving. The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States (Baltimore, 2008) The 2004 edition is, Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William R. Beall, and Kaleen E. Beall. Joe, Will a Gateway category for New France be added? Elizabeth is the daughter ofJohn Mansfield Esq, MP[confident] Good to know. I'm trying to go back through these lines to see which still need fixing. Contents 1 Ancestry 2 Ancestry chart from Edward III 3 Ancestry chart from Rory O'Moore and Mary Crofts (Stuart) 4 References Ancestry John is the son ofEdward (Plantagenet) of England[confident]. This trail tells us that Edward III is the 15th great grandfather of Daniel. If not, we will work to prove or disprove your connection. Elizabeth is the daughter ofHumphrey (Tuchet) Audley[unknownconfidence] Philippa is the daughter ofLionel (Plantagenet) of Antwerp KG[confident] Thomas is the son of Elizabeth (Percy) Neville [confident] John Oxenbridge of Boston, Massachusetts IV: 300; V: 395, Oxenbridge, Rev. 2. 7. Duncan is the son ofDuncan M'Kie[unknownconfidence] Joseph is the son ofWilliam Danford[unknownconfidence] He was an associate of English Colonizer Sir Ferdinando Gorges in a colonization scheme fo https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18700092/john-oxenbridge. 8th ed. Well, I get a descent via Captain Thomas Savage, but I already know John Savage is not Thomas' son; he was born when poor Faith Hutchinson was 13, and seven years before she married Thomas. http://globalfamilyreunion.com/king-richard-iii-dna I can't access that link It depends where you think one of the seemingly many NPEs occurred. Mr Holton wasn't necessarily delighted about his royal connection. 14. I have Charlemagne many times. Henry Stevens Jr. "We're reliant on the survival of records," she says. Anne is the daughter ofJames Wyatt[unknownconfidence] How could a modern-day comedian turn out to be related to a medieval monarch? Hi John, a better way to say it is that America has its own special way of defining and listing gateway ancestors that is very well-known, whereas in other countries the word is used flexibly. 3. 16. Hi Joe and thank you for the work you are doing on Edward III! Thomas is the son ofAlice (Fitzhugh) Fiennes[unknownconfidence] Martha is the daughter of Dorothy (Wheatley) Bliss [unknown confidence] The successful candidate will be responsible for managing all aspects of an NCAA Division III athletic program. William is the son ofHarrison Henry[unknownconfidence] Can you add sources from the linked Ancestry page? Elizabeth MORTIMER =1 Henry PERCY, Lord Percy ("Hotspur"). It was living descendants of one of his sisters that enabled researchers to use DNA to help identify the bones of Richard III found in Leicester. 10. 21. Its happened to all of us. 8. Most people who can connect to a few other families on wikitree will have cousin relationships to basically everyone else on the main tree including royalty. (The Fitts section). I will be adding the complete list from RD600 2008 edition on this page as well soon. Lionel is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England. Wiliam is the son of Samuel Adam (McKay) McCoy [unknown confidence] Mary, Sir John Fitz(Fitz-23) was the son and heir of John Fitz MP, he m. Bridget Courtney the da. Links to all of them can be found on this page. Duncan is the son of Patrick Mckie [unknown confidence] There's also an explanation about why it's sometimes so hard to find them here, Dutchified names + sometimes they only were registered with the probably also Dutchified patronymics. Anna is the daughter ofThomasine (Constable) Lumpkin[unknownconfidence] Joan is the daughter of Matilda (Clifford) Sutton Elizabeth is the daughter ofJoan (Beaufort) de Neville LG[unknownconfidence] 17. Lynden, I put this line as a separate answer so I can track it more easily. William is the son of Wiliam Fleming McCoy [unknown confidence] I have done much to confirm each link in the chain. 13. Once you go even further back, a few thousand years or so, the genetics professor says there are even bigger patterns of common ancestry, not just within Britain, but shared between people living in different countries and continents. 10. Are Hugh Jones and others "Gateway" ancestors? Sarah is the daughter ofSarah Jane (Colby) Flanders[unknownconfidence] "I don't get my identity by thinking that back in 1630 there was a guy called Thomas Churchill who's my ancestor. 24. This one may be a very good line to followup on. It is a shame we can not return a connection to uncertain, or at least to something more neutral between the options we have. I disconnected Jane (Reed) Niles from the parents she was attached to, so the first questionable line I posted above is now cut off. Eaton, Mabel same Henchman, Sarah (Woodward), of Boston, Massachusetts V: 395 Hough, Elizabeth (Bulkeley), of Cambridge and Boston, Massachusetts II:9 As my gateway to Plantagenet-70 comes thru Anne Couvent. The source I added above also explains a whole lot about the names and the confusion about them, some were translated and written in Dutch or Dutchified , so for someit's reallyhard to recognize they were the correct ones, sometimes theywere registeredwith just their patronymics, and so on so it's quite a puzzle . Here's the book with the unsourced claim: Genealogy of the Wheatley or Wheatleigh family. Patrick is the son of Andrew Agnew [unknown confidence], 10. 11. It would also be nice if that app was a part of Wikitree as well. 23. 16. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England [confident] Mid-Atlantic Gateway Ancestors of Proven Royal Descent, Southern Gateway Ancestors of Proven Royal Descent, Governor George Popham of Popham/Sagadahoc Colony of Maine, Southern Atlantic Gateway Ancestors of Proven Royal Descent, Abell, Robert, of Weymouth and Rehoboth, Massachusetts I: 107, Allin, Katherine (Deighton), of Roxbury and Dedham, Massachusetts II: 412, II: 477, Allyn, Margaret (Wyatt), of Cambridge, Mass. He's interesting historically, but he's not really me. Hannah is the daughter of Jane (Reed) Niles - this is the immigrant, and she is surely a weak link in the chain; the profile for her alleged father seems to have conflated/confused several people Beth a family bible is still a kind of evidence that can be cited but did anyone transcribe it before it was destroyed? 9. Added: The PGM immigrant descendants (i.e. WebRelationship Finder. Will see if perhaps they moved around a bit and will check for more sources this weekend, And for anyone who isinterested (perhaps there's something there about or for the Southwarts as well so we can all dig trough them ;) : Leyden Documents Relating to the Pilgrim Fahters # Permission to reside at Leyden and betrothal records together with parallel documents from the Amsterdam archivesFascimile, transcript translation and annotiations by Dr. D. Plooij of Leyden and Dr. J. Rendel Harris of Manchester . 9. John is the son ofAnne (Eure) Mansfield[confident] 8. They had a son Thomas but he married Elizabeth Whitmore and died in 1655. Isabella is the daughter ofPatrick Bruce[unknownconfidence] Lora (Kartchner) Eckler and Edward III (Plantagenet) of England are both descendants of Henry II Plantagenet. 9. John is the son ofJohn A Knox[unknownconfidence] Less than a year later on 11. 19. Sure enough, I found two questionable gateways! 13. Includes citations for all sources. 15. commented Aug 25, 2020 by Elizabeth (Mott) Littlefield WebDescendants of the Illegitimate Sons and Daughters of the Kings of Britain There were often just as many (and sometimes more) illegitimate royal offspring than legitimate ones. As are all of the people on this list , according to the relationship finder I share anywhere from 30 to 105 relationships with the people on the list. Australian immigrants in the 19th century are a very mixed bag in terms of how hard they are to trace back, so I should not exaggerate how difficult they are. 17. Thomas is the son ofHelen (Langton) Southworth[unknownconfidence] Ralph is the son ofWilliam Eure[unknownconfidence] 23. 21. 19. Shewas famously the mistress of King James IV and he settled Darnaway Castle on her as long as he remained unmarried; they had a son James Stewart, 1st Earl of Moray. I will see if I can get a little help from the PGM group and get him Project Protected. Robert is the son of John Gordon [unknown confidence] Jesse is the son ofSarah Danford[unknownconfidence] 10. 11. FYI: we've also been dinged before that Scottish wives generally didn't take their husbands last names until very recently. Patrick is the son of James McKie [unknown confidence] I will let you know though there a bunch of these I need to check out now. Joan is the daughter ofJoan (Beaufort) Stewart[unknownconfidence] GARDs short for Gateway Ancestors of Royal Descent and GANDs Gateway Ancestors of Noble descent have been the subject of intense academic research. but Vincent will have got it from the Visitation, so it's not independent. 12. Has anyone verified this? She married (1) by license George Popham (15501608) was a pioneering colonist from Maine, born in the southwestern regions of England. Archibald is the son of Beatrice Campbell [unknown confidence] 9. https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.ide/120.1/mb.ashx, Jacob is the son of Jacob Ide [confident] 20. 5. Please enable JavaScript in your browser's settings to use this part of Geni. PS, is there another project related to Charlemagne? 15. 2. 4. Beatrix is the daughter of Archibald Campbell of Torrie [unknown confidence] Samuel, of Hull and Weymouth, MA, Treworgy, Penelope (Spencer), of ME, MA, and Newfoundland, Tyng, Elizabeth (Coytemore), of Boston, MA, Whiting, Elizabeth (St. John), of Lynn, MA, Whittingham, Elizabeth (Bulkeley), of Cambridge and Boston, MA, Williams, Frances (Deighton), of Taunton, MA, Wilson, Elizabeth (Mansfield), of Boston, MA. John is the son ofEdward (Plantagenet) of England[confident]. 14. William is the son ofWilliam Harris I[unknownconfidence] I connect through George Reade apparently. Joe thank you for breaking the bogus Bagley line! John is the son ofJohn (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG[unknownconfidence] 13. I have this guy - can I help be the Disconnectrix? 13. According to the research, Markle, a Los Angeles-born American citizen, is a 24th generation descendant of King Edward III. [unknown confidence] 13. So it should be Mary MacGregor and Catherine Cambell. John is the son ofWilliam Harrison Henry[unknownconfidence] Eleanor Greystoke has an Uncertain flag, citing an old book with an old Eure pedigree that makes her Ralph Greystoke's daughter. I've disconnected Richard Lake from his erroneous parents. 10. 22. Joe, Thank you for your comment, I am a newt and can't say that I understand it all. http://news.rootsweb.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2013-08/1375902884. And to illustrate the point, he's also another descendant of Edward I. What helps is this was a really close community they all are witnessingeachothers weddings or baptisms, so that's also how we know and can figure out the relations between them all. Arthur, Prince of Wales (1486-1502) 3. Please help. Geni requires JavaScript! Im also desended from my great grandfather King John I of magna carta infamy. James is the son of Katherine Agnew [unknown confidence] 19. 14. However, only 387 of these include colonial immigrants who left progeny. of William Courtney, de jure 3rd Earl of Devon not Gertrude Courtney. 17. Thomas is the son of John Savage [unknown confidence] Conquest is the son ofEdward Wyatt[unknownconfidence] The List of 17th Century New World Immigrants, Francois says in a 1733 notarial act that he is the son of Robert de Joyeuse, but offers no proof of it. That Heslarton Neville connection was one that RJ and I were reflagged during ourvrecent review of Edward 3 descents. Thomas is the son ofThomas Southworth II[unknownconfidence] Eleanor is the daughter ofConstance (York) le Despencer LG[confident] 24. Michael is the son of Mary Margaret (Campbell) Woods [unknown confidence] Col.l Roger, Esq., of Cambridge, Massachusetts I: 444; III: 225, Hawes, Edmund, of Duxbury and Yarmouth, Massachusetts III: 272, Haynes, Mabel (Harlakenden), of Hartford, Connecticut III:225; III:274 also 95. I have not looked into this until I saw the post, so not surprising I do not recognize any names. Using previous models of the numbers of descendants over the generations, he says as a broad estimate there could be two million people alive now related to Edward I. Because the records of most ordinary families would not stretch back that far, most people would not know about their link. Duncan is the son of Duncan M'Kie [unknown confidence], 4. They are starting to come too fast and there are not enough hours in the day to properly check them out. Family trees are said to have a pedigree collapse as more and more of the same Yes Kirk he indeed was ;) I added the source for themarriage (image + link to the archive + transcript (also in English) to Agnes Carpenters profile now as well. Elizabeth is the daughter ofPhilippa (Plantagenet) Mortimer[unknownconfidence] "We're all part of a giant family," says Prof King. Jane is the daughter ofKatherine Stillington[unknownconfidence] Below is a list of 17th century new world immigrants with a recognized descent fromEdward III, king of England. Samuel is the son of Daniel McKay [unknown confidence] The Bagley connection is very interesting. Edward IV of England (1442-1483) 2. John is the son ofElizabeth (Touchet) Sydenham[unknownconfidence] Nathaniel is the son of Elizabeth (Savage) White [unknown confidence] Plantagenet Ancestry, 3 vols. It's partly the sheer numbers. Humphrey Bogart (1899-1957) 6. John is the son ofThomas Southworth[unknownconfidence] While looking for something else I came across this stray mention of the Peck-Harrington marriage. The table should be updated - Stewart-1869 and Stewart-1199 were merged already and I've eliminated Janet (maybe they should have stayed separate?) The problems tend to start back in the old countries. Post them here or in a separate G2G post and we will create new categories and new lists to track them. VideoThe secret mine that hid the Nazis' stolen treasure, LGBT troops take love for Eurovision to front line, Why an Indian comedian is challenging fake news rules, What Europe's royals could teach King Charles. Leave it to my ancestors to miss the boat, as it were. and if you don't like thatlineuse my 4th great grandmothers line! Andrew is the son ofKatherine Gordon[unknownconfidence] of " the Earl of Cassillis" with a da. Neil D. Thompson. and heiress named Janet who m. (1) Lachlan Mackintosh of Dunachtan and (2) James Ogilvy of Cardell, with her lands being discharged to her half-brother Sir Robert of Glen (not in WT). Gary Boyd Roberts compiled and fact checked a large number of GARDs from the 1970s though the 1990s (see The Connecticut Nutmegger 10: 3-12, 187-98, 393-400 (1977-8); 12:372 (1980); NEHGR 141:92-109 (1987), 150:461064(1996)). 9. Joan is the daughter ofJohn (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG[unknownconfidence] Rather than separate trees, she says family links become like interwoven thickets. 9. WebEdwards last son by Philippa, Thomas, was born at Woodstock on 7 January 1355. Each Ancestor's name is followed by the volume number and page number: In addition we include newly proven lineages which are currently being accepted by royal hereditary societies: The Royal Descendants of 600 Immigrants (aka RD600) first published by Gary Boyd Roberts in 2003 with a second edition in 2006 and finally a third edition in 2008. Questionable Gateway Ancestors) of Henry Peck are Robert Peck and Joseph Peck. 1. 13. T 1. Uncertain parents 11. 1. Seems unlikely. However, the prob. 12. I'll deal with John (he needs a PPP protection); Captain Thomas is all yours. Charles is the son of Robert Rigg [confident] He has an extensive write-up by Anderson in the Great Migration Series. Patrick is the son ofAndrew Agnew[unknownconfidence] Katherine is the daughter ofRobert Gordon[unknownconfidence] Obediah is the son ofSarah (Flanders) Clement[unknownconfidence] 15. Lora and Edward III are third cousins 21 times removed. Some kings even made their illegitimate children their heirs when they did not procure any legitimate ones. Andrew it will take me forever to prove or disprove connections to any Royalty. Agnes is the daughter ofAnne (Greystoke) Bigod[unknownconfidence] We need some help in France to answer the nagging questions! Thomas is the son ofJane (Ingleby) Chomley[unknownconfidence] I would hate to see the Anne Couvent line be perpetually duplicated if it may not be correct at this de Joyeuse point. 4. 10. 25. 11. This trail tells us that Edward III is the18th great grandfatherof Kristina. 14. Explore in 3D: The dazzling crown that makes a king. Janet is the daughter ofAgnes (Douglas) Livingston[unknownconfidence] "It's not that uncommon," says Graham Holton, a tutor on a postgraduate course on genealogy at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow. Prove previously unrecognized gateway ancestors. 10. 13. WebAncestor charts showing the family relationships of Edward III, King of England (13121377) to other famous people. 10. But I will: Charles Hansen. William, of Weymouth, Massachusetts III: 270, Whiting, Elizabeth (Saint John), of Lynn, Massachusetts IV:535, Whittingham, Elizabeth (Bulkeley), of Cambridge and Boston, Massachusetts II:9, Williams, Frances (Deighton), of Taunton, Massachusetts II: 412, Wilson, Elizabeth (Mansfield), of Boston, Massachusetts II: 530, Yale, Thomas, of New Haven, Connecticut V:439, Wentworth, Elder William, of Dover, New Hampshire I: 442, Royal Ancestry of Thomas Hussey of MD and Elizabeth (Hussey) Scott of MA notes by Nathan W. Murphy, MA, AG, FASG, Gateway Ancestors of Proven Royal Descent of Canada and the West Indies, Richardson, Douglas. Harrison is the son ofNancy Knox[unknownconfidence] Richardson doesn't mention any kids, though he omits to say "They had no issue". William is the son ofWilliam Knox[unknownconfidence] and heiress was Mary, who m. 4 times: (1) to her ward Henry Percy, 9th Earl of Northumberland's brother Sir Allen Percy (d. 1613), (2) eloped with Thomas Darcy who d. shortly after the wedding, (3) Sir CharlesHoward, 4th son of the 1st Earl of Suffolk (d. 1626) and (4) Sir Richard Grenvlle (1600-1658) 1s. John VIII is the son of Elizabeth (Somerset) Brereton [confident] (and unless my search skills were poorer than usual then there are some definite falsehoods). Benjma 18. William Asfordby, Charles Barnes, Marmaduke Beckwith, William Farrar, Elizabeth Mansfield, Anne Mansfield, John Mansfield, Robert Spotswood, Robert Rose, Margaret Toshach. William is the son ofJohanna (Percy) Harris[unknownconfidence] 11. 17. Thomas lost his parents who had a son Thomas who was not born in Cheshire, married someone else and never emigrated. WebBenjamin Greene III (1764-) Elizabeth Greene (1766-) Hannah Greene (1768-1850) Lucretia Greene (1771-1851) Sarah Greene (1773-) Anne Greene (1774-) H Rebecca Hamblin (1694-1750) Ruth Haynes (1639-) Sheriff Daniel Hubbard (1706-1741) Russell Hubbard (1732-) Lucretia Hubbard (1734-) Daniel Hubbard, Jr. (1736-) Elizabeth Hubbard (1738-1808) For completeness I think John Lightfoot-92 and his brother Philip Lightfoot-255 have a line in the latest Richardson books, which I haven't seen. I share it below. These are coming in much faster than I can research and answer. WebDescendants of George III King George III Queen Charlotte Here follows a list of children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren of George III, King of the United Kingdom and his wife, Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz. For grins and giggles, I ran a relationship finder on Edward's son, John of Gaunt (Plantagenet) and had another positive hit through a completely different family line. Of the 70 individuals, 32 settled in theSouthern Colonies, 27 in theNew England Colonies, and 11 were part of the Quaker migration to theMiddle Colonies. Sir Richard and 1da. Dan is the son ofDaniel C. Joslin[confident] Edward III Project: Gateway Ancestors - do you have one? Make that Captain Thomas Savageis certainly not the son of Sir Thomas Savage, 1st Viscount Savage and Elizabeth Darcy, Countess Riverssuo jure. The lineage was discovered through named Jean matching the House of Gordon but Douglas seems to imply they never were actually married or consummated the marriage; she supposedly m.Archibald Douglas but she was never described as the Countess of Angus; the DNB describes her as his mistress. Create a list of proven gateway ancestors as a tool for future research. 19. 13. 4. 15. 6. Charles, of Scituate and Plymouth, MA, Cooke, Elizabeth (Haynes), of Cambridge, MA, Davie, Humphrey, of Boston, MA, & Hartford, CT, Dudley, Katherine (Deighton), of Roxbury/Dedham, MA, Edwards, Agnes, of Cambridge, MA and Hartford, CT, Farwell, Olive (Welby), of Concord & Chelmsford, MA, Hackburne, Katherine (Deighton), of Roxbury & Dedham, MA, Harlakenden, Elizabeth (Bosvile), of Cambridge, MA, Harris, Agnes, of Cambridge, MA and Hartford, CT, Haugh, Elizabeth (Bulkeley), of Cambridge & Boston, MA, Hutchinson, Anne (Marbury), of Boston, MA, RI, & NY, Hutchinson, Katherine (Hamby), of Boston, MA, Ludlow, Roger, of Dorchester, MA; Windsor & Fairfield, CT, Mellowes, Martha (Bulkeley), of Charlestown, MA, Negus, Jane (Deighton) (Lugg), of Boston, MA, Palgrave, Dr. Richard, of Charlestown, MA, Pelham, Elizabeth (Bosvile), of Cambridge, MA, Pelham, Jemima (Waldegrave), of Cambridge, MA, Pole (or Poole), Elizabeth, of Taunton, MA, Pole (or Poole), William, of Dorchester & Taunton, MA, Pynchon, Amy (Wyllys/Willis), of Springfield, MA, Saltonstall, Muriel (Gurdon), of Ipswich, MA, Saltonstall, Richard, of Watertown & Ipswich, MA, Scott, Katherine (Marbury), of Massachusetts & RI, Spencer, Agnes (Harris), of Cambridge, MA and Hartford, CT, Taylor, James, Gent., of Boston & Lynn, MA, Throckmorton, John, of Salem, MA, Providence & Warwick, RI, & NJ, Torrey, [Rev.]

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