Check this out if you really want to know where he got his ideas: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2014/04/noah-the-kabbalah-and-gnosticism/. Im not sure where this leads, but one thing I dont believe is that the union was not with fallen angels, but perhaps instead with Gods elite beloved angels. The standing stone inscribed with a human with wings may represent one of the sons of God in Genesis 6:2, or Anunnaki. The Nephilim (fallen ones) in Genesis 6:4, otherwise known as the giants, might actually be represented by a 17.5 foot tall standing stone carved in a stylized manner with the ceremonial attire worn by priests at that time. Why should anyone who is a student of the original languages of the Bible care anything about what the paraphrase states? I think that Enoch writings are key source to understand what happened in the past, in that way we will be able to understand whats coming in the future because Jesus said that the last times will be like in the days of Noah, and according to Enoch and the book of Genesis, giants, nephilim, rephaim & fallen angels were on earth in those days, and will be again for the coming of the son of men. The judgment was sealed because of the sin of lawlessness, robbery, or wrongdoing (chamas). And since when does God bless the evil acts of satan with men of renown? In Genesis 4:20-22 the ancestors of the trade guilds are recorded and in John Miltons Paradise Lost (Book 11), the angel Michael relates to Adam after his disobediance the consequences of sin on his future descendants, who are among the sons of God; who forsook their spiritual wings for human desires: Weve seen the failed social experiments of the Taliban and other spin-off extremist movements that forbid women to work so that the leaders get to pick which ones to marry after denying them education and perpetuating a cycle of poverty. Everything on land that needed to breath would die except for those on Noahs ark. For no very good reason (probably). Genesis is simple It is not a simplification of the older but the ur-story before. As human men they were able to do all the things that humans can do. Your email address will not be published. The LORD God broke up the fountains of the oceans and opened the windows of heaven, and it rained for 40 days and 40 nights (Gen 7:11-12). Will Graham Devotion: Think Your Sin Isnt So Bad? And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: You should intercede for men, and not men for you: 3. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world. 4. The fact that the Dead Sea Scroll fragment of the Book of Giants lists the name of Gilgamesh as being a giant is an indication (at least to me) that this was probably taken froman old source. I think that is the moral lesson of the rock giants in "Noah.". Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. Thank you for putting this in print. Mark 12:25, Matt 22:30, no sex if you please, meaning no offspring? Whoor whatare the rock giants in Noah the movie? [10. Please, tell me you do because if you do not I can only wonder what next off the wall commentary like #17 Steve will be forthcoming.. Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers (6) Noah opened the window. Public Domain. God saved His faithful servant and washed the earth clean. January 22, 2019 In fact, Noah implored all mankind to escape the flood. From the giant Rock Giants who help Noah build the Ark and the murderous killing spree Noah embarks on to purge mankind of evil, to the not-so-subliminal messages against the wanton destruction of flora and fauna, the movie takes many liberties to tell a good story, but the plot-line fails to meet the biblical text. by the same priestly authors who composed the 1st chapter of Genesis. In the book, Winter Tales by Mark Helprin (not Mark Halperin, the conservative spin doctor), from what I remember from 3 decades ago, begins with the parents who couldnt get through immigration at Ellis Island and place their infant like Moses in a miniature boat which was recieved by Native American Indians somewhere in the marshes of Jersey (apparently they were there in the late 19th century, according to this work of fiction).When he grew up he went to Manhattan and the first thing he did when he saw the painted ladies was perform the foot-stomping mating ritual with extended arms holding a flask of beer and raw fish which none responded to. The Book of Enoch is a collection of texts, the earliest dating to the third century B.C.E., supposedly authored by the famous Enoch of the Bible, who lived in the seventh generation from Adam (Jude 14) and was taken by God: Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him (Genesis 5:24). When the ark is full, a flood inundates the earth. This article first appeared in Bible History Daily on July 21, 2021. It would take four men as men are today to throw a stone as large as that. The length of the cubit varies through history, with the Roman cubit being nearly 4 feet long. That alone ought to give you some clues for what is occurring here. I have been studying the Bible in depth; with various translations and original languages, for nearly 30yrs. These actions trigger the flood. Today grace comes in the shape of a Cross. Im not particularly interested in the mysticism of cultures preceding that of ancient Israel, I know all too well about such contrivances mixing Mesopotamian culture as events paralleling the Genesis accounts. In the Noah story, God asked him to construct the Ark because the flood was going to destroy every disbeliever on that area. The Mesopotamian cultures had access to the Genesis account of the pre-flood world because Enochs lineage (Shem) living in post-flood Mesopotamia were the keepers of those documents. 1. Noah chopped down trees to build an enormous ark on dry landfar from any oceanbecause God was going to send a great flood. So God did not give permission to the wicked angels of Noahs day to take human form nor were they ever forgiven for what they did. God surely chose Noah because of his dedication and obedience. The fact that Christ did not author the Hebrew/Aramaic word for angel in Gen 6:2, but instead authored the word sons, is very simply explained by Mark 12:25 and Matt. He says, "Make yourself an ark of gopher wood. However, there is no clear instruction that Noah had to build the ark himself. I got the title wrong in my last post. When the floodwater receded, Noah and his family exited the ark. Noah was off to a new start with his family and a heap of animals that fared a lot better than live trading sheep bound for the Middle East. If we accept that the sons of Elohim are the sons of powers that be (temporal rulers), it could be that the legend of King Keret would fit the description as being the son of El. Like Helen of Troy theres allegedly a woman who inspires Keret to wage a military campain with apparently little regard for civilians against Udum the Great, which has been suggested as being Edom. Thought Id post this even though its fiction but there is a character in the film who defects from heaven and is like a fallen watcher so Im still keeping on subject. Why are you trying to make the movie Noah fit with the Bible? Point 2 JESUS cast out demons. Did not Enoch live at the time relative to sons of Elohim following their descent? Noah made the ARK in 40 days the rains/storm lasted for 40days.The Israelites walked through the desert for 40 days the Tower of BABEL was built in 40 days Jesus Christ fasted for 40days. p. 37 Did Noah build the ark in 40 days? Embellished fictional thesis masquerading as truth does more harm to promoting the truth than if one simply comports with the clearly posited statements contained within Holy Writ. In its expansion of the flood account we are introduced to the Watchers, fallen angels who mated with human women and produced offspringthe Nephilim, the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown of Genesis 6:4or giants. --Not the zohar of Genesis 6:16, but an aperture. Wallis Budge, p.74). Enochs father was Jared, whose name means go down and it was believed that it was during his generation when the watchers descended. p. 35 COPYRIGHT 2023 BIBLICAL ARCHAEOLOGY SOCIETY 5614 Connecticut Ave NW #343, Washington DC 20015-2604. Its certainly a fun ride, but how does the movie compare to the actual story of Noah in the Bible? Jesus, Jude,Peter, Daniel and other Biblical writers quote the book of Enoch. There is a problem with the chronology of period when this temple was in use (9500-8000 B.C.E.) All the religions around have creation, source of evil and flood stories. And Semjz, who was their leader, said unto them: I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin. 4. 6 After 40 days Noah opened a window he had made in the ark. Just as the storm god Baal usurped the position of El, so did Zeus usurp the positon of Cronos, making Zeus, god of lightning, the leader of a rebellion in heaven, hence the statement by Jesus; I have observed Satan fall like lightning from the sky (Luke 10:18). enkidu-early[1st golem made of clay by enki his helper],earliest giants were 300 kell[18 tall] ,3000-5000ft tall for what its worth animals of ark like fairytale states WERE NOT GATHERED 22 absolute logistical impossible enki taught Noah use clay vials collect blood 4 DNA just like he created us. Show me a scripture that gives them that power? In His grace, God commissioned Noah to build an ark to preserve himself and his family from the upcoming judgment by water (verse 14). Perhaps this powerful priest was regarded as infallible since his stature was as tall as the temple itself. The gyrations you two use to get around what the text says is laughable.. Moses met a god with no image and no name I am = Being. I continually implore you to produce scripture for all these claims you continue to make & you keep ignoring Mark 12:25 and Matt. For which the world erelong a world of tears must weep.. Your email address will not be published. 1. It had never rained upon the earth. To these that sober race of men, The question becomes one of when to transliterate into English a capital G for heavenly elohiym or lower case g for earthly elohiym. It rained for 40 days, and the ground was flooded for over a year. Check out The Descent of the Gods at http://www.thedescentofthegods.com for example. The Bible's answer. think not that the bible was changed and libraries burnt down? Where do you stand? Author of Miriamne the Magdala-The First Chapter in the Yeshua and Miri Novel Series and Content Creator for The Miriamne Page, For more information on this novel series, and The Miriamne Page, just click on this link: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Miriamne-the-Magdala-First-in-the-Series-of-the-Yeshua-Miri-Novels/206903979347028, the Watchers were not fallen until they made a conscious consensus decision to enter into the human evolutionary journey, as a delegation of Angels assigned to Earth as Watchers, they forsook their First Estate, and entered permanently into the stream of the human story, (genomic); by relinquishing their immortality, and status in Heaven (which they discovered was a consequence of their concensus disobedient action, so then they petitioned Enoch for intervention, mediation with God) the Watchers decision, was lead by Azazel, who was a doubter of Gods sovereingty over the Earths evolution, and who became attracted to the desired human experience the will (of disobedience), towards satiating a physical desire for this activity created the distortion of the outcomeas apposed to an immaculate desire that also produced its own results; (also genomic); much later in the human story. Stories in time grow more complex, the simple are earlier. 3 And now to you, the holy ones of heaven, the souls of men make their suit, saying, Bring our cause before the Most High.. 4. As the prehistorian Chester Chard has pointed out, since the Middle Paleolithic, many groups were already concentrating on certain types of animals (and probably plants), so all that was needed to develope effective domestication was lots of time for trial and error experimentation and a little luck. Usually when referring to the descendants of Adam through Seththose who walked with God. Paul D. while I agree that there were written traditions that were passed down through the line of Shem to Abraham, the book of Genesis as we have it now wasnt composed until the period of the early monarchy and the 5th chapter of Genesis wasnt composed until after the return from Bablylonian captivity during 5th century B.C.E,. 1. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. = flame of fire. I am sure the Creator and our Lord were not impressed with it either. The book of Enoch, Chapters 10-12, 54-82 are told by Noah, 105 describes his birth and Chapter 81 give a star references to about 12,500 years before Christ with Bootees ,Ursa major and minor as seasonal constellations. Cheshvan 17 (mid-fall): Noah enters ark; rains begin. IF YOU ARENT SHOCKED YOU HAVENT UNSEALED IT. Dates in parentheses are guesses based on dates given in the text. It made the story very interesting; giving the viewer something to think about. It took 40 days and 40 nights to complete it. to give in Chapter 81, star references to about 12,500 years before Christ: with Bootees ,Ursa major and minor as seasonal constellations. The waters flooded the earth for 150 days, including the 40 days of rain (Genesis 7:12, 17, 24; 8:1). By means of this book he obtained divine power, and he became able to cast spells upon folk (Egyptian Magic by E.A. 7 He sent out a raven. 7. ..Paul D. Paul D., its possible that the book of Enoch that you call phony may have relied on sources that date back to the 10th century B.C.E. How did Noah build the ark? [paragraph continues] Now were getting somewhere, finally, Paul, youve become a good student. Noah obeyed God's commands and built . the contention here is that the rise of language, partnership society, and complex religious ideas may have occured not far from the area where humans emerged the game-filled, mushroom-dotted grasslands and savannahs of tropical and subtropical Africa. Why Build the Ark So Quickly? It is likely that the cubit of Noahs world was longer than the accepted 18 inches. What gyrations? Noah built the ark because He believed that God really would bring the Flood and We know that the wind and the rain came for 40 days and nights, but it is likely that Noah and his family, along with all of the animals preserved on board, were on the ark for up to a year in length. Noah chopped down trees to build an enormous ark on dry landfar from any oceanbecause God was going to send a great flood. No convoluted numerology, no mysticism. But Gene, you continue to miss the most important issue concerning all this conjecture contained in the Noah movie. For example, if we review the Hebrew word for angel, malak, we find it doesnt mean a supernatural being at all, but messenger, AND ALSO, king, priest, judge, lord, shepherd, ambassador, deputy, etc. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. These were rare events, but God had given his angels the power to materialize as humans, a power that has evidently been taken away from the angels who sinned. There is a Hebrew/Aramaic word for angel, and it does not appear anywhere in Gen 6:1-4, and Ill give you another clue, the Hebrew/Aramaic word for son(s) is also not the same as for angel. Because God told him to do it (Gen 6:22; Heb 11:7). I have made a series titled Book of Enoch Warnings for the last Generation Watchers Nephilim Giants & Fallen Angels Explained Fast forward to another generation of giants who built cities like Gilgamesh and like the pillar at Gobekli Tepe that represented a priest, Gilgamesh also officiated in ceremonial priestly garb and it was said that he was 2/3 god. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. But we shall miss her sorely. Many cultures have flood stories. OR, the Bible, the book of Enoch, etc., are full of metaphor, simile, and figure of speech. 2. 4 On the 17th day of the seventh month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. Gene R, then how in the world did that writer Know (?) Noahs building project took 100 years as people heard Noah declare Gods warning, but only Noah and his family climbed aboard the great boat with the animals. In time two of these men went to Sodom to warn Lot of a coming destruction (Gen. 19:1 where they are called angels). This role is reversed in the non-canonical book, The Shepherd of Hermes. In chapter 51 the elm tree symbolizes the rich person that doesn.t produce fuit; the rich person has money, but is poor towards the Lord, since he is distracted by his wealth. It gos on to describe a type of symbiotic relationship between the elm and the vine (not unlike Gilgamesh and Enkidu) so that the vine entwines itself aroun the elm, enabling it to bear fruit, which it couldnt do lying on the ground. ( Genesis 6:11-20) We can believe that the Flood really happened because it is recorded in Scripture, which "is inspired of God." 2 Timothy 3:16. Good exegesis, Paul D., but this debate over Elohim with a small g (gods) and a large G (God) is becoming like that Saturday Night Live skit spoofing a commercial advertisement where two men are arguing over over a small can; Its shaving cream! Its whipped cream! Then Chevy Chase steps in and says, Its a shaving cream AND a whipped cream!. Its a movie made by a Satanist. Noah, being commanded, goes forth from the ark. But the point you bring up has to do with whether angels can co-habit with the daughters of men. So if Jesus quotes it I dont care what Jerome says. ),fits the description of they were heroes of old, the men of renown (Genesis 6:5). And they said to the Lord of the ages: Lord of lords, God of gods, King of kings, and God of the ages, the throne of Thy glory (standeth) unto all the generations of the ages, and Thy name holy and glorious and blessed unto all the ages! There is a lot that could be conjectured about how pagan mythology seems to have certain parallels to the Genesis accounts up until the time just before Noahs Flood. Chill out! Noah said to the people, "Return from your evil ways and deeds." They did not change in those 120 years. Oh, really now? FOOLISH PEOPLE!!!! The last time that happened was just after a 1000 year sea stagnation period then MWP1B and sea-level rose by 26.7 feet in 100 years and continued to rise at over a inch per years for several thousand years. No upper or lower case highlighting, no sentence or paragraphing structure indicating beginnings & endings of distinct topics in those early languages, it was context that fixed the start/finish points. This is an epic storyone that fascinates everyone. Thou seest these things and Thou dost suffer them, and Thou dost not say to us what we are to do to them in regard to these.. Apparently,the late Paleolithic Egyptians posessed neither, although our evidence shows that they made an extraordinarily early attempt at domestication, and that its failure was accompanied by some rather traumatic side effects. After all, the ark was a boat, right? Paul D. - - , ; , . God brought judgment on people who disbelieved Him. You should CLARIFY that they was not in the original story of the Bible The English language is much differently constructed than early Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek. Point 5 to Clone, is to creation of an animal in the womb of host with out sexual intercourse and is possible today. It involved a conspiracy to assassinate the aging Pharaoh by an official named Hui who conspired with a woman in the Pharaohs harem to place her son on the throne and that this would ultimately involve many high ranking officials, all of whom were put on trial after the assassination allegedly failed. One author claims: The Tower of Babel myth is definitely one of the most absurd stories ever told. Even a Jewish rabbi called it a naive attempt to explain the origin of nations.

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